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you have to get every dollar for debt ceiling increases. they say the debt ceiling, they know it doesn't give them real leverage but gives them an opportunity to give real messaging. they wouldn't provide a show-down where they say not raising it. they come to terms with having lost the election. charles krauthammer wrote today, the general rule is from the single house of congress, you can't impose, aren't you failing the country? the country chose obama, if you want to save the republic, save the next election. if your conservative philosophy is indeed right, winning will come. joining me now, robert costa, and dave weigel, both of them doing great reporting, i appreciate you being here. robert, i want to start with you, tell me the thinking behind the three-month extension, why three months? >> a lot of it has to do public relations, i think what i heard from the retreat, and members in the room, they want to start to win the pr battle again, to do it they have to take the debt limit off the table, and fight with spending in regard to th
you have to get every dollar for debt ceiling increases. they say the debt ceiling, they know it doesn't give them real leverage but gives them an opportunity to give real messaging. they wouldn't provide a show-down where they say not raising it. they come to terms with having lost the election. charles krauthammer wrote today, the general rule is from the single house of congress, you can't impose, aren't you failing the country? the country chose obama, if you want to save the republic, save...
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president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is rung short. >> republicans made their choice during a gop retreat in williamsburg, virginia. house majority leader eric cantore reportedly has plans for three months. in a statement the white house responding, saying, we are encouraged. there are signs congressional republicans may back off their insistence on holding our economy hostage to extract drastic cuts in medicare, education and programs middle class families depend on. the temporary nature of the increase is somewhat troubling. a white house official told nbc news it's a terrible way to run the country. but the aide gave no indication president obama would veto a temporary extension if this is how congressional republicans want to govern, so be it. they already have an approval rat
president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is rung short. >> republicans made their choice during a gop retreat in williamsburg, virginia. house majority leader eric cantore reportedly has plans for three...
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president obama yet on his news conference said raising the debt ceiling will not raise our debt ceiling. all we've raised the debt, we have to may more interest. that in it/will increase the spending. we have a spending problem in this country. that's what we need to address. >> what is your biggest bone of content with john boehner? you've been very public about the fact that you don't think his leadership is something you wanted over this new congress, you didn't vote for him to be the speaker. what is your main problem with him? >> i have no personal problems. i keep hearing that. he himself said i carrying no grudges. we've talked several times. the point is to let him know with le stand up to leadership and hold him account annual. i think that's important to know. that really is on both sides of the aisle. if you go back there were people that challenged the leadership, too. i think that's a good thing. you have new members of congress willing to stand up and saying let's rethink this. let's put america first, not necessarily party politics. i fired the first volley that you would
president obama yet on his news conference said raising the debt ceiling will not raise our debt ceiling. all we've raised the debt, we have to may more interest. that in it/will increase the spending. we have a spending problem in this country. that's what we need to address. >> what is your biggest bone of content with john boehner? you've been very public about the fact that you don't think his leadership is something you wanted over this new congress, you didn't vote for him to be the...
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raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> and of course republicans tried to trick americans into believing the debt ceiling was a blank check or magic credit card for the president to go spend whatever he wanted to spend. of course, the united states constitution gives the power to tax and spend to the congress, and the congress alone. our current deficit is the result of money congress has already borrowed. president obama explained to the american people today how republicans in congress are trying to avoid doing their actual jobs. >> these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they've already racked up. >> if the american people do not catch on to the severity of all of this, of defaulting on our debts, the cou
raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> and of course republicans tried to trick americans into believing the debt ceiling was a blank check or magic credit card for the president to go spend whatever he wanted to spend. of course, the united states constitution gives the power to tax and spend to the congress, and the congress alone. our current deficit is the result of money...
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ceiling. >> now the other imposition is called the debt ceiling. something most americans had not heard of before two years ago. so i want to be clear about this. the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> and of course republicans tried to trick americans into believing the debt ceiling was a blank check or magic credit card for the president to go spend whatever he wanted to spend. of course, the united states constitution gives the power to spend to congress. the result is the money congress has already borrowed. president obama explained to the american people in congress how they're trying to do their actual jobs. >> these are bills that are racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to find compromise on how to pay our debts, americans should not be stopped from paying the bills we racked up. >> the country will be in a dire situation. president obama knows t
ceiling. >> now the other imposition is called the debt ceiling. something most americans had not heard of before two years ago. so i want to be clear about this. the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> and of course republicans tried to trick americans into believing the debt ceiling was a blank check or...
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that is far from a don't raise the debt ceiling ultimatum. boehner has now shown that he's willing to break glass and allow legislation to pass without a majority of the majority. perhaps we've seen the near future in how the republicans end up agreeing to a debt ceiling raise without a battle. government funding and government shutdown, different story. >>> let's turn back to the big story of the day. and that is the president's push on guns and the coming fight with both congress and the nra. in addition to calling on congress to pass gun control legislation, the president will propose a set of executive actions. nbc's justice correspondent pete williams is here to help explain some of those executive actions. a big one that we know he's going to call for is this idea, pete, of basically ordering the justice department to prosecute people that fail background checks. explain why that hasn't been done before, and how it can be done. >> sure, first of all. the federal law makes it a crime for somebody to falsify, knowingly falsify information
that is far from a don't raise the debt ceiling ultimatum. boehner has now shown that he's willing to break glass and allow legislation to pass without a majority of the majority. perhaps we've seen the near future in how the republicans end up agreeing to a debt ceiling raise without a battle. government funding and government shutdown, different story. >>> let's turn back to the big story of the day. and that is the president's push on guns and the coming fight with both congress and...
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you have the debt ceiling issue. all of those are in the mix right now because they are all coming to a head at the same time. we are going to need to deal with all of them. can't we be responsible? can't we work collaboratively on this? if we can -- hearing from the white house that, you know, you go figure it out. it is not my problem. i didn't have anything to do with this. that's not the way to go. >> let me ask you about your job as the head of the republican campaign committee. will you support all incumbent house republicans no matter what under all circumstances? or -- is your job to eliminate primary opposition? >> you know, i love how you -- you know, we try to talk in absolutes here. we are a member of organization that supports republicans and republican members of the house. here's when we do and we go out and recruit. i think, you know the voters want to check and balance in washington. we are going to offer a positive alternative. great candidates. we now -- second biggest majority since world war ii c
you have the debt ceiling issue. all of those are in the mix right now because they are all coming to a head at the same time. we are going to need to deal with all of them. can't we be responsible? can't we work collaboratively on this? if we can -- hearing from the white house that, you know, you go figure it out. it is not my problem. i didn't have anything to do with this. that's not the way to go. >> let me ask you about your job as the head of the republican campaign committee. will...
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one would be the debt ceiling. the second is the expiration of the continuing resolution that funds an agreement. if you can't reach an agreement, then you'd have a government shutdown. neither one of these outcomes is good. one though is immediately and totally catastrophic. that's the debt default. if republicans now -- if blackburn's comments maybe are indicative of something, if republicans now are moving away a little bit from the threat of the debt default and are now talking about the shutdown and the continuing resolution in this totally screwed up washington that we have right now with all these perverse incentives, that actually does represent progress if republicans are now only talking about a government shutdown and not a debt default. >> do you agree with that? >> i mean, not really. i know what you're saying but i don't really think we should give a lot of rewards. we citizens, we the political class, or we the media for different strains of this kind of leverage. i think the problem and it was in a
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on the debt ceiling. not again. and today after months of insisting that the president really did have to negotiate with them on that, republicans gave up. david corn "showdown," the stand off the president faced with republicans. thanks for being here. >> good to be here, rachel. >> eric cantore said, yeah, we're going to give up, but only for three months. what did you make of that? >> i'm the last guy who wants to cause a spike in the vix, but, you know, there are a couple of things to think about here. i call this plan r for run away. but we know that john boehner often has had trouble with his various plans. plan b most notoriously, getting them approved, accepted and passed by his own house republicans. and cantore made a very declarative statement today. there already immediately were grumblings that some house republicans will go along with this i'm not sure that democrats will, too. it remains to be seen whether, indeed, john boehner and cantore can get passed what they want to do. then again this is just a
on the debt ceiling. not again. and today after months of insisting that the president really did have to negotiate with them on that, republicans gave up. david corn "showdown," the stand off the president faced with republicans. thanks for being here. >> good to be here, rachel. >> eric cantore said, yeah, we're going to give up, but only for three months. what did you make of that? >> i'm the last guy who wants to cause a spike in the vix, but, you know, there are...
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he's not negotiating over the debt ceiling. michael, is this more of what we're going to hear from him today? is he going to lay the groundwork for the battle ahead? >> i think so. to some degree i think what's happening is a game of chicken unfortunately. i know the financial markets hate it. and it kind of turns your stomach a little bit. but obama has said we're absolutely not negotiating over the weekend a significant event when the treasury department ruled out this kind of fantastical sounding option of minting a trillion dollar platinum coin. so they've closed yet another door, and he's essentially said, you know, i'm just not playing ball. i read that politico story today as very interesting. it could be john boehner's camp saying we can't control the far right wing. it could also be a little bit of a bluff. it may be that boehner really feels that way or maybe he wants the white house the think he feels that way and it could be, again, part of this grand game of chicken. everyone is positioning right now. that's what's
he's not negotiating over the debt ceiling. michael, is this more of what we're going to hear from him today? is he going to lay the groundwork for the battle ahead? >> i think so. to some degree i think what's happening is a game of chicken unfortunately. i know the financial markets hate it. and it kind of turns your stomach a little bit. but obama has said we're absolutely not negotiating over the weekend a significant event when the treasury department ruled out this kind of...
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raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. but to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills is irresponsible. it is absurd. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they had better choose quickly because time is running short. >> house republicans continued to threaten to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip. house republican conference chairwoman kathy rogers told "political" i think it is possible we would shut down the government to make sure that president obama understands that we're serious. well, i guess that would do it. we always talk
raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. but to even entertain the idea of this happening, of...
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they play to hold the debt ceiling hostage. aides say half the conference is ready to let the nation default. speaker boehner will school them on the real threat later this week. even a temporary extension for, say, two or three months could rattle the markets and threaten the nation's credit rating. last time they hashled out a debt deal? summer of 2011 and we ended up more than a trillion dollars in mandatory spending cuts and congress still hasn't addressed and delayed again until march. we start with nbc's peter alexander outside the white house. peter, the president also told congress if they don't want to take the political risk of raising the limit, give him the power. he'll do it himself. >> reporter: that's clear f. you aren't going to do it, i'll do it myself. in essence today, toure, he basically dared congress not to up the debt ceiling today. obviously, one of the comments he said that i think is pretty interesting is saying in his own language, they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the econom
they play to hold the debt ceiling hostage. aides say half the conference is ready to let the nation default. speaker boehner will school them on the real threat later this week. even a temporary extension for, say, two or three months could rattle the markets and threaten the nation's credit rating. last time they hashled out a debt deal? summer of 2011 and we ended up more than a trillion dollars in mandatory spending cuts and congress still hasn't addressed and delayed again until march. we...
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we have raised the debt ceiling 70-plus times. there has always been that sense of we're not going to vote to raise the other guy's debt ceiling, but there was always the understanding that we would provide the votes in the final analysis. the president's party did that. right now, what you have is a situation where the republican party is reduced to its lowest andi in the history of "the wall street journal" poll. the only thing that is worse is john boehner. 18% favorable. this is not a formidable partner. >> over the weekend, "politico" spoke to many advisers and said house republicans and party leaders appear willing to shut down government. might need to do that four- member management purposes so that they can have an end game and show their constituents they are fighting. get it out of the system? this is not a gastrointestinal problem, this is the government. >> i would suggest therapy and do not shed down the government. i would give it to them for free. the republicans have had a pretty unhappy experience with brinksmans
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ceiling thing. in 2011, there was not a single republican in congress in the house or in the senate who broke ranks publicly and said actually, purposefully driving the american economy into a ditch to make a point that even we don't understand and that is against the constitution, that might not be a great idea. nobody broke ranks when the republicans did this in 2011. nobody on the republican side. but today on the republican side somebody did. today republican senator lisa murkowski of alaska broke ranks. she gave an interview to her hometown newspaper in alaska, she says she disagrees threatening the country with default. quote, murkowski is breaking rank, saying the country has a duty to assure it pays its bills. murkowski said not all of her colleagues in the senate will say it out loud, but she believes most agree that failing to raise the debt limit would harm perception of the country. quote, if you incur an obligation, you have a responsibility to pay for that, murkowski said. time is goin
ceiling thing. in 2011, there was not a single republican in congress in the house or in the senate who broke ranks publicly and said actually, purposefully driving the american economy into a ditch to make a point that even we don't understand and that is against the constitution, that might not be a great idea. nobody broke ranks when the republicans did this in 2011. nobody on the republican side. but today on the republican side somebody did. today republican senator lisa murkowski of...
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we have raised the debt ceiling 70-plus times. the congress has voted to do it. there was always a sense of we are not going to vote e to rai the other guys debt ceiling but there was always the understa that we would provide the votes in the final ananalysis. the president's party y did that. right now, what you have is a situation where the republican party is reduced to its lowest standing in the history of "the wall streeeet journal" nbc poll. the only thing that is worse is john boehner, 18% favorable. this is not a formidable parker. >> "politico" spoke to some unnamed republican leaders and they said that party leadaders have appeared to shut down the government to make a point. they may need to shut dowjust to get out of the system. we may need to do that for member-management purposes so that they can show their constituents they are fighting. get it out of the system kept? this is not a gastrointestinal system. thiss the government. >> i would offer therapy and not closing the government. the republicans have had a pretty unhappy experience with brinksm
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the debt ceiling is announcing the amount of money the states can borrow. today the president responded to some republicans who say they are willing to shut down the government if the president doesn't back down. ultimately congress makes decisions about whether or not we spend money and keep the government open. if they decide they want to shut down the government in order to get their way they have the votes in the house of representatives to do that. i think that would be a mistake. >> john boehner responded the american people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending statement. wendell, a government shut down, is that something that really might happen? neither side is ready to blink yet. he has laid out they are ready to compromise if possible that could lead to a government shut down although probably not right away. president obama suggested right before the u.s. the people at home might be told they have to wait for their money. >> if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time social security
the debt ceiling is announcing the amount of money the states can borrow. today the president responded to some republicans who say they are willing to shut down the government if the president doesn't back down. ultimately congress makes decisions about whether or not we spend money and keep the government open. if they decide they want to shut down the government in order to get their way they have the votes in the house of representatives to do that. i think that would be a mistake. >>...
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let us raise the debt ceiling. no strings attached. and if the president can raise it as he should be able to and if congress wants to reject it 2/3. the mcconnell proposal is a good republican proposal. i hope you support it. that's the way to go. >> let me ask you a question. a bill that says regardless of what happens the debt ceiling, that the united states will never default on the debt. would you support that or not? >> i support the concept. i'd have to look at the bill. the best way to do that is the mcconnell act. >> we may have just made news. >>> last week, general colin powell was here worried about a dark vein of intolerance in republican parties in some quarters. you are part of a stream of new faces in the republican party, minority faces and voices in the party that seem to stand against that. how did you respond to it? >> well, i saw that interview. i respect general powell a great deal. i was disappointed with those comments. i think he was buying into some of the partisan attacks. if you look at this last election, f
let us raise the debt ceiling. no strings attached. and if the president can raise it as he should be able to and if congress wants to reject it 2/3. the mcconnell proposal is a good republican proposal. i hope you support it. that's the way to go. >> let me ask you a question. a bill that says regardless of what happens the debt ceiling, that the united states will never default on the debt. would you support that or not? >> i support the concept. i'd have to look at the bill. the...
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. >>> just a few hours ago paul ryan claimed to have the solution to our debt ceiling impasse. he calls it a short-term debt limit extension. you may know it better as kicking the can down the road. which reminds me, there was someone just a few months ago who was famously against that kind of a deal. who was it? >> kick the can. kick the can. kick the can. >> right, of course. that's who it was. joining us is jonathan alter and jared bernstein. welcome to you both. john, we've seen speaker boehner's power getting weaker and weaker. is paul ryan now the de facto head of the gop? >> well, you know, actually, martin, i think he has been much more influential than people realize -- >> because he's been quite quiet publicly. >> going back to 2011. he has so much respect within that republican caucus. he's the guy who killed simpson/bowl simpson/bowles. he was on the simpson/bowles commission and wasn't willing to have any revenue increases. his fingerprints were not on it. and then when it came to the grand bargain, he told john boehner wait until the election. don't do this deal.
. >>> just a few hours ago paul ryan claimed to have the solution to our debt ceiling impasse. he calls it a short-term debt limit extension. you may know it better as kicking the can down the road. which reminds me, there was someone just a few months ago who was famously against that kind of a deal. who was it? >> kick the can. kick the can. kick the can. >> right, of course. that's who it was. joining us is jonathan alter and jared bernstein. welcome to you both. john,...
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he voted against the debt ceiling i believe in 2006. why all of a sudden does he not want have to have negotiations? >> i think will's happened, larry, is that the president spent 2011 and 2012 with republicans squeezing him on his priorities, having opposed him during the first two years of his presidency. then that really had the wind at their back. the tea party election of 2010 had given republicans very big numbers on the hill. and he's decided that he backed up, and he backed up and he backed up, and he's not going to back up anymore. he took his argument to the american people in the election. he won the election. they held the house, that is true. but he's decided that he's been vindicated by public opinion broadly, and he's going to try to hold that ground. the question is going to be, larry, at the end of the year on the tax issue, he had the hammer behind him of the expiration of all the bush tax cuts. he does not have that hammer right now. what he has is the prospect of a catastrophic standoff between republicans and democr
he voted against the debt ceiling i believe in 2006. why all of a sudden does he not want have to have negotiations? >> i think will's happened, larry, is that the president spent 2011 and 2012 with republicans squeezing him on his priorities, having opposed him during the first two years of his presidency. then that really had the wind at their back. the tea party election of 2010 had given republicans very big numbers on the hill. and he's decided that he backed up, and he backed up and...
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regarding the debt ceiling. is that something that republicans are willing to do here, or it must be linked? the two have to go hand in hand? >> reporter: they are insisting, and when i say they, i'm talking about house republicans and the senate republican leader, but they have to go hand in hand. this is something that we heard over and over and over again when we had this debate the last time, back in the summer of 2011. andion that ve ioion you know t suzanne. but the house speaker and his aides are telling us that they really mean it this time. that there has to be a dollar of spending cuts for every dollar that the u.s. agrees to raise the debt limit. and that they would even go for a two or three-month extension as they try to work on a more global discussion of cutting spending. but even if there's an extension, it has to go point by point. the other thing i want to mention, suzanne, which i thought was really interesting, after covering the white house under george bush, that last question about the fac
regarding the debt ceiling. is that something that republicans are willing to do here, or it must be linked? the two have to go hand in hand? >> reporter: they are insisting, and when i say they, i'm talking about house republicans and the senate republican leader, but they have to go hand in hand. this is something that we heard over and over and over again when we had this debate the last time, back in the summer of 2011. andion that ve ioion you know t suzanne. but the house speaker...
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the debt ceiling and you did. last year you said you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not not have any conversations about extending the bush tax cuts, what i said we wouldn't extend bush tax cuts for wealthy and we didn't. we can argue during the campaign that i said, i set the criteria for wealthy at 250, and we ended up being at 400. but the fact of the matter is that millionaires, billionaires, are paying significantly more in taxes, just as i said. so from, you know, from the start my concern was making sure that we had a tax code that was fair and that protected the middle class and my biggest priority was making sure middle class tax
the debt ceiling and you did. last year you said you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not not have any...
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ceiling. >> we've always raised the debt ceiling. we should pay our bills as the president said, we're not a dead-bet country. i'm glad they finally saw the light. we need to pay our bills and move forward. there is a stronghold of 75 republican tea party members who quite frankly do listen to the tea party in many ways, and hopefully this is a signal that they too need to understand that this should not be an issue. it should not be held honestly. hostage. we should raise the debt ceiling. that's an automatic. we should move forward and talk about how we create jobs. by creating jobs we reduce the deficit. >> jennifer: i'm take taking it as an encouraging sign that the tea party can be moved by public voices. if they can be moved on the debt ceiling of all things, maybe they could be moved on guns. you wrote in the "huffington post," advocating reducing defense spending so you can spend more money and invest in the united states. the question is in the negotiations in congress over the spending do you see that happening? >> we've go
ceiling. >> we've always raised the debt ceiling. we should pay our bills as the president said, we're not a dead-bet country. i'm glad they finally saw the light. we need to pay our bills and move forward. there is a stronghold of 75 republican tea party members who quite frankly do listen to the tea party in many ways, and hopefully this is a signal that they too need to understand that this should not be an issue. it should not be held honestly. hostage. we should raise the debt...
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to reduce the debt ceiling, we talked to businesses outside of new york, if we don't raise the debt ceiling, it's a potential, reality for wrecking -- >> that's the wrong time. >> the debt ceiling is the wrong time to do it. >> saying you can't do it with the debt ceiling, can't do it with the fiscal cliff, can't do it shutting down the government. all i'm talking about, the president of the united states has absolutely no is in no position to talk about who's being reckless with the debt. the real default has come from his lack of leadership on deficits and debts. the federal deficit has been over a trillion dollars all four years he's been president of the united states. he's done absolutely nothing to curb the costs of these programs that will, according to democra democrats -- >> hmm. >> bankrupt us. what has harry reid rand democrats done in the senate? absolutely nothing. how many days since they passed a budget? >> 1,357. >> 1,357 days since democrats have passed a budget in the united states senate. >> let's talk about that lack of leadership so many people have criticized the presi
to reduce the debt ceiling, we talked to businesses outside of new york, if we don't raise the debt ceiling, it's a potential, reality for wrecking -- >> that's the wrong time. >> the debt ceiling is the wrong time to do it. >> saying you can't do it with the debt ceiling, can't do it with the fiscal cliff, can't do it shutting down the government. all i'm talking about, the president of the united states has absolutely no is in no position to talk about who's being reckless...
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translation, the debt ceiling deal didn't do enough about the debt itself. so keep this in mind when you hear it said,be with great certainty it's the republicans trying to force spending cuts over endangering the nation credit rating. as will rogers quoted once, "it isn'tbe what we don't know that gives us trouble. it's what we know that ain't so." bret? >> bret: the president has effectively turned the messaging around. by saying it's about paying the bills that congress has already passed. the laws that it's already passed. republicans are saying it's about borrowing authority. essentially running up the country's credit card. >> exactly. what the republicans are saying is look, we maxed out the credit card. it's time before we extend any new credit or allow any new credit to do something aboutbe the spending that got us here. that would seem on the surface to be a reasonable argument. but so far, the republicans have not been able to win it. and what tends to happen in the fights when you get all of this late hour melodrama as we have had in the last cou
translation, the debt ceiling deal didn't do enough about the debt itself. so keep this in mind when you hear it said,be with great certainty it's the republicans trying to force spending cuts over endangering the nation credit rating. as will rogers quoted once, "it isn'tbe what we don't know that gives us trouble. it's what we know that ain't so." bret? >> bret: the president has effectively turned the messaging around. by saying it's about paying the bills that congress has...
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chris: they win. >> they're afraid of a debt ceiling confrontation or actually defaulting on the debt. they don't want to be blamed for that. >> the tea party people are not here to legislate. they're here to de'mon strailt. -- to demonstrate. they didn't get to do it on the fiscal cliff in the end. they want to do it to something and go over the edge. and this will take them over the edge and they will lose politically and the president is going to have to scramble to shut things down. and credit ratings will be affected. chris: when is the public going to make a verdict on whether they like that kind of behavior? >> they sort of did in the last election. chris: and 12 of our regulars including you, howard, can president obama split off enough republicans to win the big fights copping up on debt and the budget -- coming up on debt and the budget and guns? eight say yes. four say no. howard, you voted with the majority nt at least on the debt and budget issues and you're wary on the gun thing. >> yeah. and for the reasons that john was saying. because a lot of democrats who will be ru
chris: they win. >> they're afraid of a debt ceiling confrontation or actually defaulting on the debt. they don't want to be blamed for that. >> the tea party people are not here to legislate. they're here to de'mon strailt. -- to demonstrate. they didn't get to do it on the fiscal cliff in the end. they want to do it to something and go over the edge. and this will take them over the edge and they will lose politically and the president is going to have to scramble to shut things...